Frĺn fryskednis blog 13 March 2012, obs att med myth menas kungasaga alt traditionell historieskrivning:
Some agreements and differences between OLB and known Frisian myths, sagas or legends.
(based on p.145-150 of "Het Geheim van het Oera-Linda-Boek" by M. de Jong, 1927)
1. Myth: Friso arrived in 313 BC (Scarlensis: 299 BC), marking the start of Frisian history.
OLB: [p.119] He arrived in 303 BC, ca. 1900 years after oldest described historical event (big flood).
2. Myth: Friso arrived in a desolate, uninhabited land.
OLB: He returned in a land that had suffered much of a flood, but still had inhabitants and cities, as well as a high culture.
3. Myth: Friso was a prince from India.
OLB: [p.74] Friso was a descendant from a Fryan colony in Athens that had resettled in India ca. 1550 BC.
4. Myth: Friso had two brothers, Saxo and Bruno.
OLB: Friso had two brothers-in-law, Hetto and Bruno. The 'Saxmen' were much older than Friso.
5. Myth: Bruno is founder of Brunswijk.
OLB: [p.151] Bruno goes to 'Mannagarda-wrda', Munster according to Ottema (Medieval name: 'Minnegarte-wrta').
6. Myth: Hetto is a son of Friso.
OLB: [p.150] Hetto (meaning: the hot one) is a brother-in-law and goes to 'Kattaburch' (Kassel) in the Saxmarks, which suggests an etymology for 'Hessen'.
7. Myth: Friso had served in the army of Alexander the Great.
OLB: [p.125] He also served under Demetrius (son of Antigonus), who kidnapped his son and daughter. Friso remarried in Stavia.
8. Myth: Friso was a great king and primal father of the Frisians.
OLB: [p.145] He was kind of an usurper, hostile towards the ancient polity of matriarchs and burgladies. He tried to win followers with gold and did not allow that a new Mother was chosen [p.151-153]. He tried to connect with one of the oldest and noblest clans, the Oera-Lindas or Adelinga, by having his youngest daughter Konrnhélja marry Háchgána, son of Wiljo and Fréthorik, brother of Koneréd Oera Linda [p.146]. To please the Oera Lindas he also named his son (from his new wife Swéthirte) 'Adel'. Friso did NOT become king [p.154].
9. Myth: Friso's father was named 'Adel', king of 'Phresia' or 'Pharrosia' (at Ganges river), and some of the later kings after Friso (his descendants) were named 'Adel'. One of his granddaughters was named 'Adela'.
OLB: Inspired by the 'book of Adelinga', Friso named his son 'Adel' (see 8.).
10. Myth: Adel (son of Friso) married Swob, daughter of the Sueban king.
OLB: [p.155] Adel (son of Friso) married Jfkja (nicknamed Svôbene) from Svôbaland.
11. Myth: Another son of Friso was named 'Vitho' or 'Jotho'. He married the daughter of the Cimbrian king and became principal of Jutland (suggesting that Jutland was named after him). In Frisian myth, the Cimbrian king and his daughter had different names than in OLB.
OLB: [p.150] In OLB he is named just 'Witto' (the white). He saved 'Sjuchtherte', daughter of 'Wilhim' (principal of the Juttar) from the Sélanders, became her husband and the successor of her father.
12. Myth: Friso had one wife only, named Hilla, from Asian descent. They had seven sons and one daughter, being the youngest. The daughter was named 'Vimoda' ('weemoed' means melancholy), because her mother had died at giving birth.
OLB: Friso remarried with the Fryan 'Swéthirte', daughter of 'Wilfréthe' (gréva of Staveren). They had two sons and two daughters. The oldest daughter was named 'Wémod'; she married 'Kavch', son of 'Wichhirte', king of the Gértmŕnna [p.146]. Her name suggests the origin of the area Wimodia or Vigmodia in lower-Elbe. The name Kauch suggests an origin for the name of the Kauchen or Chauken tribe in East-Friesland.
13. Myth: The successors of Friso's son Adel were 'Ubbo' (namegiver of the Ubii), and 'Asinga Ascon', who was in his 71st reigning year in the year zero.
OLB: The four successors of Friso were all named 'Adel'; the fourth was nicknamed 'Black Adel' or 'Asega Askar' (which in the OLB language means something like claimant of the law) [p.195].
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Frĺn: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=15 :
If we accept that the Oera Linda Book is a hoax, (which I obviously don’t) we must admit that the perpetrator(s) must have had an extraordinary knowledge of classical history and the old authors. The following few quotes and references are only a small portion of the almost 200 quotes and references in my book. Please bear with me.
[u]Homer: (ca 800 BC?)[/u]
In one of my previous postings (and in my Book) I made the claim that Homer’s “Phaeacians” were the Frisians and that “Scheria” was the Schelde.
“Odyssey”, Book V, Page 1
“When he (Jove) had thus spoken, he said to his son Mercury, ‘Mercury, you are our messenger, go therefore and tell Calypso we have decreed that poor Ulysses is to return home. He is to be convoyed neither by gods nor men, but after a perilous voyage of twenty days upon a raft he is to reach fertile Scheria, the land of the Phaeacians, who are near of kin to the gods, and will honour him as though he were one of ourselves.”
OLB: “Book of Adela’s followers”, ch. XXX (2-4)
“2. On the largest of them was a king of the Jonhis Elenda whose name was Ulysus, the fame of whose wisdom was great. To him a priestess had prophesied that he should become the king of all Krekaland (Greece) provided he could obtain a lamp that had been lighted at the lamp in Texland. For this purpose he had brought great treasures with him, above all, jewels for women more beautiful than had ever been seen before. They were from Troia, a state that the Krekalandar had taken.”
Homer mentioned that Ulysses came from Ithaca on the Ionian Islands. The OLB said he came from the “Jonhis Elenda.”(From “Jon-his Elanda” to “Jon-ian Islands” to “Ion-ian Islands”?)
Throughout the OLB we read of the Frisians’ maritime skills and sea voyages.
“Odyssey”, Book VIII, Page 5:
(King Alcinous describes the Phaeacians to Ulysses)
“We are not particularly remarkable for our boxing, nor yet as wrestlers, but we are singularly fleet of foot and are [u]excellent sailors[/u]. We are extremely fond of good dinners, music, and dancing; we also like frequent changes of linen, warm baths, and good beds, so now, please, some of you who are the best dancers set about dancing, that our guest on his return home may be able to tell his friends how much we surpass all other nations as sailors, runners, dancers and minstrels.”
“Odyssey”, Book VII, Page 3
(Homer relates Ulysses’ impressions of Alcinous’ house)
“As the Phaeacians are the best sailors in the world, so their women excel all others in weaving, for Minerva has taught them all manner of useful arts, and they are very intelligent.”
OLB: The Writings of Apollonia, ch. III
“5. Her short kilt of linen, and her tunic of wool, she spun and wove herself.”
[u]The Trojan War[/u]
According to Homer, the Trojan war lasted for 10 years. Dares recorded that the war lasted 10 years, 6 months and 12 days. Both Homer and Dares claimed that there were more than 1100 ships involved. Ovid mentioned a fleet of 1000 ships:
(P. Ovidius Naso, “Metamorphoses”, Book XII)
“But soon afterwards, he brought into that land a ravished wife, Helen, the cause of a disastrous war, together with a thousand ships, and all the great Pelasgian nation”
We can thus safely assume that most of the sea-going vessels in the Aegean was tied up in this war and the associated logistics.
In the OLB, (“Book of Adela’s followers”, ch. XXX) we read:
“1. [u]After twelve years [/u]had elapsed without our seeing any Krekalandar (Greeks) in Almanland, there came three ships, finer than any that we possessed or had ever seen.”
Surely, this remark is just too casual to be part of a deliberate hoax.
[u]The Pelasgic Athenians[/u]
Before I go any further, I have to explain the terms: “Pelasgic” and “Barbarian” (I am trying to condense a whole chapter here)
In my book I show that the word “Pelasgic” come from “Pelasgos” which means “Sea” and would therefore indicate “Sea People” (According to Vladimir Georgiev). The OLB referred to their Mariners as “Sea People”:
( The book of Adela’s followers, ch. XXIII)
“25. ...Many Magyarar fled back with their troops, and the [u]sea-people [/u]took ship, accompanied by a body of stalwart Finnar as rowers.”
In “the book of Adela’s followers”, (ch. XXX) the Frisians complained about the heckling they had to endure in Athens:
“14. If our simple parents came to a general assembly at Athenia and made complaints, a cry was raised, "Hear, Hear! There is a [u]sea-monster[/u] going to speak!"”
Even in Athens, therefore, they were known as “Sea People”.
The word “Barbarian” came from the Greek “Barbaros” or “Barbaroi” and simply meant speakers of the “Bar-bar” language which was foreign to the indigenous Greeks. (Compare with English “Blah-Blah”) Originally the word did not mean “savages”. On the contrary, they were highly respected. Ovid referred to the “Great” Pelasgic nation and Herodotus in the introduction to his “Histories” had the following to say:
“These are the researches of Herodotus of Halicarnassus, which he publishes, in the hope of thereby preserving from decay the remembrance of what men have done, and of preventing [u]the great and wonderful actions [/u]of the Greeks [u]and the Barbarians [/u]from losing their due meed of glory.”
Josephus (“Against Apion”, Book 1.11) had the following to say about the Barbarians:
“…(58) and I suppose I have sufficiently declared that this custom of transmitting down the histories of ancient times hath been better preserved by those nations which are called Barbarians, than by the Greeks themselves.”
In my book I quote other authors along the same lines.
Now I can come to my point:
The OLB claims that Minerva Ny-Helenia founded Athens in ca 1628 BC (“Book of Adela’s followers”, ch. XXVIII)
Herewith some extracts from Herodotus’ “Histories” (Book I, p19)
“What the language of the Pelasgi (Sea People) was I cannot say with any certainty.”,
“we must pronounce that [u]the Pelasgi spoke a barbarous language[/u].”,
“[u]the Athenians, who were certainly Pelasgi[/u], must have changed their language at the same time that they passed into the Hellenic body”
”It was a branch of the Pelasgic, [u]which separated from the main body[/u], and at first was scanty in numbers and of little power; but it gradually spread and increased to a multitude of nations, chiefly by the voluntary entrance into its ranks of numerous tribes of barbarians. The Pelasgi, on the other hand, were, as I think, a barbarian race which never greatly multiplied.”
Thus, Frisians = Sea People = Pelasgics = Barbarians = Athenians = exactly as the OLB claims
[u]The 305 BC Flood[/u]
Frethorik Oera Linda recorded a natural disaster which devastated the Netherlands, Friesland, Denmark ( largely a peninsula) and Norway in 305 BC. (OLB: “The writings of Frethorik and Wiliow”, Ch I) Here is an extract of his account:
“10. The Magy prided himself upon his cunning, but Irtha made him know that she would not tolerate any Magy or idol on the holy bosom that had borne Frya. As a wild horse tosses his mane after he has thrown his rider, so Irtha shook her forests and her mountains. Rivers flowed over the land; the sea raged; mountains spouted fire to the clouds, and what they vomited forth the clouds flung upon Irtha.
17. This happened in the year 1888 after the submersion of Atland” (305 BC)
Strabo (64 BC–24 AD), a Roman historian, referred in his “Geography” (7.2.1) to legends of a devastating flood that had struck the Cimbri:
“II. As for the Cimbri, some things that are told about them are incorrect and others are extremely [u]improbable. For instance, one could not accept such a reason for their having become a wandering and [/u]piratical folk as this – that while they were dwelling on a [u]Peninsula[/u] they were driven out of their habitations by a [u]great flood-tide[/u].”
Under “the Writings of Konered” (Chapter II) in the OLB, Konered describes how the Danes who survived the disaster turned to piracy:
“10. Afterwards many of the Denamarkar returned from the higher lands, but they settled more to the south; and when the navigators returned who had not been lost, they all went together to Seland. By this arrangement the Juttar retained the land to which Wr-alda had conducted them. The Selandar navigators, who were not satisfied to live upon fish, and who hated the Golar, [u]took to robbing the Phonisiar ships[/u].”
( The dawn of the age of the Vikings)
The following extract was taken from an article published in The New York Times on 29 December 2008:
“But several geologists have collected evidence indicating that something very big and unusual occurred in waters near the New York area around 300 B.C., give or take a century. And Dallas Abbott, a research scientist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, is asserting that a meteorite, landing somewhere in the Atlantic, generated the tsunami.”
[u]India[/u]
In Chapter XXVIII of “The Book of Adela’s Followers”, the OLB describes how some of the (“Right-Wing”?)Frisians in Athens defied the local priests and elected their own leader by the name of Gert. They then called themselves the “Gertmanne”. They were subsequently kicked out of Athens and fled to India. (ca 1556 BC)
In India they called their new home “Gertmannia and started to clear the area. In the OLB under “The writings Of Konered” (Ch.VI) we read the following:
“21. On the west of the Pangab where we come from, and where I was born, the same fruits and crops grow as on the east side. Formerly there existed also the same crawling animals, but our forefathers [u]burnt all the under-wood[/u], and so diligently hunted all the wild animals, that there are scarcely any left.”
Richard Hooker on his Website “Ancient India, The Arians” says, inter alia, the following about the “Aryans”:
“When they arrived, the vast northern plains were almost certainly densely forested. Where now bare fields stretch to the horizon, when the Aryans arrived lush forests stretched to those very same horizons. [u]Clearing the forests over the centuries was an epic project and one that is still preserved in Indian literature[/u].”
According to the OLB the Gertmanne later relocated westwards where they established “Ny-Gertmannia”. By the time of Herodotus (ca 484 BC- 425 BC) the area was known “Gertmania” and on old Alexandrian maps (ca 320 BC) we find the province of “Carmania”. Today it is known as the province of “Kerman” in Iran.
These Gertmanne laid the foundations of the Persian Empire. In his “Histories” Herodotus wrote:
“The rest of the Persian tribes are the following: The Panthialaeans, the Derusiaeans, [u]the Germanians[/u], who are engaged in husbandry; the Daans, the Mardians, the Dropicans, and the Sagartians, who are nomads.”
Herodotus (and other authors) referred to the Persians also as “Barbarians”.
Arrian of Nicomedia wrote the following in his “Anabasis Alexandri” (The Campaigns of Alexander):
Book IIIb
“He now arrived in the land of the people formerly called Ariaspians, but afterwards named Euergetae, because they assisted Cyrus, son of Cambyses, in his invasion of Scythia. Alexander honoured these people, for the service which their ancestors had rendered to Cyrus; and when he ascertained that the men not only enjoyed a form of government unlike that of the other barbarians in that part of the world, [u]but laid claim to justice equally with the best of the Greeks[/u], he set them free, and gave them besides as much of the adjacent country as they asked for themselves; but they did not ask for much”
Book VIII, Indica:
“The Nysaeans are not an Indian race; but part of those who came with Dionysus to India; possibly even of those Greeks who became past service in the wars which Dionysus waged with Indians; possibly also volunteers of the neighbouring tribes whom Dionysus settled there together with the Greeks, calling the country Nysaea from the mountain Nysa, and the city itself Nysa”
[u]DNA Evidence[/u]
A report by Bijal P. Trivedi written in May 2001 entitled “Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India’s caste system”, appear to provide the ultimate proof that the Gertmanne were the “Aryans”
“A new study has revealed that Indians belonging to higher castes are genetically closer to Europeans than are individuals from lower castes, whose genetic profiles are closer to those of Asians.”
“The authors believe their results support the notion that Europeans who migrated into India between 3,000 and 8,000 years ago may have merged with or imposed their social structure on the indigenous northern Indians and placed themselves into the highest castes.”
[u]The naval Battle of Salamis in 306 BC[/u]
OLB: The writings of Frethorik and Wiliow ch. II:
“31. He went once to the state of Salamis, and after he had been some time fighting there, he had an engagement with the fleet of Ptholemeus. Ptholemeus was the name of the prince who ruled over Egiptaland. Demetrius won the battle, not by his own soldiers, but because we helped him. We had done this out of friendship for Nearchus, because we knew that he was of b****** birth by his white skin, blue eyes, and fair hair”
The Antigonus we read of here would have been Antigonus I Monophthalmus (Antigonus "the One-eyed", 382 BC - 301 BC). He was a Macedonian nobleman, general and satrap under Alexander the Great. Demetrius, his son, would later become known as Demetrius I Poliorcetes (The Besieger), king of Macedon (294–288 BC). The Oera Linda Book refers to “The Besieger” as “the State Winner”.
Plutarch (“Life of Demetrius”, ch 16) described the defeat that Ptolemy and his brother Menelaus suffered at Salamis:
“1. Ptolemaeus advanced with 150 ships, and he had ordered Menelaus, with 60 more, to come out of the harbour of Salamis, in the heat of the battle, and put the enemy in disorder by falling on his rear.
2 Against these 60 ships, Demetrius appointed a guard of 10, for that number was sufficient to block up the mouth of the harbour. His land forces he ranged on the adjoining promontories, and then bore down upon his adversary with 180 ships.
3 This he did with so much impetuosity, that Ptolemaeus could not stand the shock, but was defeated, and fled with 8 ships only, which were all that he saved. For 70 were taken with their crews, and the rest were sunk in the engagement.”
History (not the OLB) tells us that Demetrius made use of private contractors during the battle of Salamis and the later siege of Rhodes. Exactly what the OLB claims.
[u]The Germans[/u]
The OLB relates the story of the return of the Gertmanne to Frisia in ca 300 BC. They became a distinct tribe separate from the Frisians, retained their name and also called their new home Gertmannia (around Emden). The Roman historians referred to “Germania” and the “Germans”
Tacitus, a Roman Senator and historian (ca 56 AD – ca 117 AD) wrote in his Germania some 350 years later:
“The Germans, I am apt to believe, derive their original from no other people; and are nowise mixed with different nations arriving amongst them: since anciently those who went in search of new buildings, travelled not by land, but [u]were carried in fleets[/u]; and into that mighty ocean so boundless, and, as I may call it, so repugnant and forbidding, ships from our world rarely enter.
For the rest, they affirm [u]Germany to be a recent word[/u], lately bestowed: for that those who first passed the Rhine and expulsed the Gauls, and are now named Tungrians, were then called Germans: and thus by degrees [u]the name of a tribe prevailed, not that of the nation[/u]; so that by an appellation at first occasioned by terror and conquest, they afterwards chose to be distinguished, and [u]assuming a name lately invented were universally called Germans[/u].”
In my book I compare Tacitus’ description of the Germans with Herodotus’ description of the Persians and the OLB’s description of the Frisians. The resemblance is absolutely astonishing.
I will give the last word here to Tacitus who (incorrectly), referred to all West Europeans as “Germans:
“Hitherto, I have been describing Germany towards the west. To the northward, it winds away with an immense compass. And first of all occurs the nation of the Chaucians: who though they begin immediately at the confines of the Frisians, and occupy part of the shore, extend so far as to border upon all the several people whom I have already recounted; till at last, by a Circuit, they reach quite to the boundaries of the Chatti. A region so vast, the Chaucians do not only possess but fill; a people of all the Germans the most noble, such as would rather maintain their grandeur by justice than violence. They live in repose, retired from broils abroad, void of avidity to possess more, free from a spirit of domineering over others. They provoke no wars, they ravage no countries, they pursue no plunder. Of their bravery and power, the chief evidence arises from hence, that, without wronging or oppressing others, they are come to be superior to all. Yet they are all ready to arm, and if an exigency require, armies are presently raised, powerful and abounding as they are in men and horses; and even when they are quiet and their weapons laid aside, their credit and name continue equally high.”
I believe that this is exactly how the OLB tried to portray themselves.
I can go on and on but this posting is already embarrassingly long. Apart from the few quotes above from the old authors, I provide, what I would like to believe, other conclusive evidence in terms of Archaeology, Genetics, linguistics, etc. that the OLB is authentic.
All that the proponents of “The Hoax Theory” can come up with is that the paper and the language used in the OLB is too modern, as well as some speculation as to “whodunit”. Surely nobody can realistically expect a paper document to last for 800 years. The OLB admits that it was rewritten. One can also realistically assume that, as the language evolved, the book may have been transcribed into the contemporary language of the day. This still does not make it a forgery as long as the historical facts were recorded accurately.
Other derogatory claims made is that the book is a viewed as a religious document by some and that it is also used by Neo-Nazis. (Some weirdos will even use a “Superman Comic” as a manifesto). To me the book is purely a book of historical importance and I found nothing in it to change my Christian convictions.
I cannot force anybody to read my book and I know there is not any money to be made out of it. (that is not my intention). I do, however, believe it to be a great tragedy that people are prepared to deny themselves such a rich history and would rather give the credit to “foreigners” (The Romans).
On the other hand, as an outsider, I may be missing some subtle nuances in Dutch-Frisian relations or politics.
Regards,
Alewyn